Apple iOS is not the same as OSX (or whatever they’re calling their OS) and iOS is not the same as their tvOS. Just as their watchOS is different. Apple is in the same boat as Google trying to merge operating systems. Microsoft actually did this but adoption was 0%. ChromeOs is merging with Android, goggle TV, etc … Apple is doing the same thing. If everyone would just use Linux we’d all be good (just kidding Linux isn’t for everyone just yet close though)
Yeah… cuz when I think of “merged” OSes, I think of Linux with … HOW MANY??? … different branches? Let alone the main ones (Red Hat, Ubuntu/Debian, Arch)… lol… Although yeah, most of the software works on all of 'em.
But even then, with M1-M3 macs being Silicon-based, you need entirely different software to run its OS than the Intels! I think there’s a few more now, but different chips create even their OWN little branches. IDK if ARM-based linux runs Intel-based apps… Anyways, since most of Apple’s other OSes run on arm, it really should be possible if Apple let it happen. There’s probably emulators, but we all know how fun that can be!
I run all 3 major OSs. I have a Mac and a PC running Windows as well as multiple versions of Linux. I’m not sure the point of your comment. I also have Windows and Linux virtual machines on Mac. iOS and iPadOS apps can run on Apple Silicon Macs. I use some on my Mac.
LOL We are either going to be best friends or enemies . Linux is 100% fragmented because of the “flavors” but underneath it’s 100% the same OS, distributors want to make it their own…RPM, DEB, Gentoo, or whatever distro underneath they’re all the same.
Isn’t there a way to copy over your app to your Silicone Mac, then? Gotta be a way to pull the .app or whatever and use it there instead… PLEASE don’t tell me you only run apps from the store! You can find pretty much any app or installer somewhere other than the store.
I haven’t played around much with that kind of stuff on my M2. I’m asking for myself as much as I’m asking you.
I was talking about merging platforms, their mobile os’s aren’t the same as their PC OS. ChromeOs is Linux. Android is Android (Linux adjacent). iOS is not OSx for Mac. Different operating systems present different challenges.
So at what point is a flavor not a separate entity? If the code has to be written from the ground up to work on a different processor, and not all the apps are available because of that… how are they they same?
(I’m in a distro-hopping mood on this particular 2013 MBA. 2 weeks ago Ubuntu turned back into MacOS. Yesterday I decided Arch.)
Most iOS/iPadOS apps don’t need to be changed. They will run on Apple Silicon Macs because it’s the same architecture. Do you own a Mac? I’m guessing no so why are you commenting on this? I use a number of iOS/iPadOS apps on my M1 Mac mini. They run great. Tablo doesn’t need to change a thing more than likely. They just need to allow them to be published to the Mac App store.
Don’t you have to have the app installed somewhere on iOS for it to be allowed on your own silicon mac, though? I know I can’t just go and download random iOS apps, because I don’t own an iPhone or iPad.
Edit: I remember looking into this a while back, so there might be changes that I don’t know about. I just know that whatever I wanted had to be “ported over” or whatever from my nonexistent iOS device. Not supplying these apps in their store would be really hard on those people that don’t rely on one “master” and enjoy the functionality of different products.
I do own a Mac, thanks and mobile devices. But just like not all android apps won’t work on Chrome there is a gap. It’s virtualization. I run Linux with WINE but not all windows programs work. I run most of my android apps on my Chromebook and Linux but not all of them work. For instance I have eufy security cameras work great on Android but the app doesn’t work on ChromeOs.
… you mean “won’t work on Chrome properly”? Most apps can be sideloaded, and many work just fine. But 9 out of 10, they’ll run.
I gotta say, though, you’re completely right about the virtualization. That can make a huge impact on what you’re trying to do. I made a few discoveries about that when I started using OpenCore Legacy Patcher on my old Mini. Same computer, but I lost the ability to use RustDesk (for a while), and VMWare is completely broken. All because the OS is now virtualized within itself instead of running straight off of Apple’s unmodified kernels.
Distro hopping is just that I do it all the time . The underneath is always the same Linus Torvalds makes sure that happens. It is all basically down to what app/updater you use. I’ve bounced around a ton…I stick with Ubuntu only because the drivers are there and I’m done with rebuilding drivers. Fedora is great (it’s red hat). I started with Mandrake 20 some years ago,then was diehard SUSe but just decided I was going to stick with Ubuntu (even when new versions were sent out free on CD). But as far as downloading for your architectureshrug it’s always going to be x64 aside from a few exceptions. There are some that still support x86 and sparc, but really? You can download them for phones now (they suck so far don’t bother). I was born in the late 70’s not much in computer tech I have tried or early adopted. I changed reel tape decks with my father in their server room. My Christmas present from my wife this year was an Atari 2600+ just so I could use my carts
I hear ya. I just wiped my TV and decided I didn’t wanna throw all that extra crap on there (just built-in apps, Tablo, and a couple others). They went mostly unused and were just taking up valuable space on a 3yo Android 11 that I use my Firestick on anyway. You have to keep up with the apps on your own and it gets tiring very fast!
(Ubuntu 23.10 on one, Xero on this one, OCLP MacOS Monterey on another dual booting to win11, Sonoma on the M2… blah blah blah). I’m pretty versatile when it comes to OSes but still learning more linux every day (I was out of the loop for pretty much all technology for about 15 years). Last time I ran Linux was Ubuntu-something on a 500mhz tower!
So many distros look like 1995 GUI, and then others try to look way different and they’re ugly in their own way. IDK what I’ll stick to on this one – thinking about wiping it back to its MacOS default and finding it a good home. Too many computers lying around collecting dust anyway! I just wanted to see how stable Xero is lately, since it’s own updater has killed my machine 3 times in the past.
Dude… there’s still modern OSes that support PPC! So anything is possible… Old-schoolers definitely love to tinker!
Happy for ya on the 2600. Congrats!
Also a late 70s child here. So… yeah. Soooooooooo old… lol
(Good thing this topic of “4th gen AppleTV beta?” has stayed on track for the ENTIRE duration!)
Yep, the Roku is simple, but nothing at all like the Apple TV. Night and day. Hard to find anything like the Apple TV, actually, maybe the closest is the high-end Fire TV’s if you took out the Amazon ecosystem, or the NVIDIA Shield if you took out the ads.
After using the Roku for several weeks now, can hardly wait to get the Apple TV’s back in my hands.
I’d suggest looking at the Roku Ultra LT (4801RW). I paid $35 and $47 for the Roku Ultra LT’s that I have from Walmart, both were on sale. That one and the Roku Ultra (4802RW) work great for me with the new Tablo. I’ve found that underpowered streamers, like the Chromecast with Google TV these days, just don’t work as well. Unfortunately, since you can get the Chromecast HD model for $20 at the moment.
WIth the Roku, though, you got to be ready to make a trip into the dark ages of UI design. Simple, but not designed for easy use in the most frequent use cases.
Agreed completely. That it’s not tells me someone at compile time for the iPadOS app went “Nah, don’t want to run it there”, because that’s the only reason it isn’t. SOMEONE when they compiled the app turned OFF the option to allow Silicon Mac operation. I’d LOVE to do that on my M3 iMac. Can’t.
Although I do not have a date I understand from a credible source that the AppleTV beta is close at hand. It’s unclear how long after the initial beta that public release will be available.