Uncertain Future of OTA DVR's?

The communists are taking over the world governments. Sad. If you oppose their agenda, they will prosecute you. They will make up dirt on you and silence you. Government leaders are lining their pockets with people’s money. They don’t serve the people anymore. Yes, corporations, too, own the government. Regulations upon regulations are being passed/imposed in favor of these evil/powerful corporations.

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I didn’t know Bernie Sanders owned a tablo. How did you come up with the djk44883 alias.

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Just like I came up with mine… randomly hitting keys on the keyboard.

Someone in the AVS forum pointed out that Zapperbox has network streaming on their roadmap…
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Can ATSC 3.0 broadcasts that are DRM be streamed Away-from-Home. Or might they run into a 7ms end-to-end or a 3 hop security limitation.

Here is the link too sign the petition.

I thought the FCC required that a broadcasters primary channel can be played for free even if it is encrypted. The same rules apply for STB tuner boxes. It’s requires more implementation for those STB’s.

I didn’t know the FCC was involved in the regulation of the feature capabilities of DVR products. Wait until users discover the copy-never flag -if it exists in the ATSC 3.0 standard

Couldn’t he have watched his CBS station via ATSC 3.0 if he had bought a ATSC 3.0 ready TV? Could the FCC solve the problem by requiring all TV’s have ATSC 3.0 tuners.

Or since there still is a “substantially similar” rule why not just watch the ATSC 1.0 broadcast. And he would have saved the $200 he spent on a SD 4K tuner.

The problem is that if they encrypt the single you will not be able to watch or record tv like you can with your Tablo. Which means if they want to charge a monthly fee for the key you would have to pay to watch over the air tv.

So when 3.0 goes live your old tuner will not work because they will stop broadcasting that signal. So you will need a new tuner that’s 3.0 and if the channel are encrypted you will have to have a key to watch.

All but 3 channels in Birmingham all are encrypted.

I think you find atsc 3.0 broadcasts in 60% of the DMA’s nation wide.

So you are saying the users with ATSC 3.0 TV’s can’t watch any ATSC 3.0 encrypted signals. I haven’t heard of a ATSC 3.0 TV that can’t decrypt an encrypted signal. I think hisense, samsung, lg, and sony are all A3SA adopters.

And I thought the FCC was currently requiring the stations primary channel to be free to decrypt.

I have 11 channels in my market that will hit 5 years broadcasting ATSC 3.0. If the broadcasters choose to decide to shut off ATSC 1.0 broadcasts, I won’t need an OTA DVR since those are my primary channels. Without access to those broadcasts, I have no real use for the Tablo. I know that broadcasters probably won’t cut ATSC 1.0, but they will have fulfilled that minimal requirement of offering both simultaneously so it is definitely a possibility. I also know broadcasters are starting to push the FCC to mandate transitioning to ATSC 3.0.

I’m not certain where the “at least through 2027” comes from but that is still only 3 1/2 years away. At this point, it is at the discretion of the broadcaster to continue ATSC 1.0 once that 5 year co-transmission requirement has fulfilled. There is zero guarantee that the stations that came on in 2017, 2018, and 2019 will continue co-broadcasting on ATSC 1.0 once those 5 years are up.

It’s called the substantially similar rule. And I think it only applies to a broadcasters primary channel.

I’m not sure the FCC is involved in making rules that affect DVR or gateway products. Of course if users want 4K broadcasts ATSC 1.0 is going away.

I live close to the mexican border and I’m not sure local stations want to shutdown atsc 1.0 and abandon the 2.1 million people living across the border.

I like where they say they’re going but I’m still not convinced they’re going to hit any of those targets.

They can encrypt it but they can’t charge you to decrypt it. They can charge for other things though and they are making money off licensing fees for hardware I’m sure. IMHO the encryption is only there so they can control how you watch it. e.g. No recording, “time shifting”, or skipping ads.

That’s the way I read it too. In theory I suppose they could do whatever they wanted with the rest of the bandwidth. I’ve been hearing some will end up getting used for data paid services.

There really is plenty of content that is 4K capable. but I don’t think any sane broadcaster or network wants to blast that over the air unencrypted.

A3SA encryption is suppose to prevent remote viewing by limiting client apps from being more then 7MS ping distant and 3 hops. This limits client apps to local networks.

FCC docket update

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DVD and BluRay were both cracked fairly quickly allowing open-source projects to work (though the legality of using them is questionable) and I suspect the same will happen with any ATSC 3.0 DRM.

My thoughts on DRM is it should be banned for OTA broadcasts. Well, banned for everything but that won’t happen. I’d like to keep it out of OTA though and hope lobbyists can kill it in ATSC 3.0.

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and hope lobbyists can kill it in ATSC 3.0

The big money lobbyists are the broadcasters. They dwarf any interests that want to kill DRM (e.g. DVR manufacturers).

So why shouldn’t a broadcaster be able to protect their content and limit content from another DMA to be played in their DMA?

Broadcasters make most of their money selling their local broadcasts to the cable/satellite/streaming services. There’s no incentives for them to keep OTA free except the FCC mandates. Those can be changed by throwing lobby money at congress.