That is exactly what I am experiencing…the Internet video feel. To me, the Internet video feel is acceptable on the Espn.com or an iPad. It is noticeable and annoying on my new 55" LED TV. I don’t understand why it can’t push the data fast enough via streaming over GigE? For example, the FIOS multi-room DVR streams to other rooms, but does not display this effect?
-MM13
And just to be clear the “Internet feel” is the streamer not streaming the frames fast enough.
-MM13
MattMan13 - Id be VERY suprised if the “internet-ness” you are seeing has anything to do with bandwidth. More than likely it has to do with the re-packaged video files that the TabloTV is creating for you on the fly. Then you throw the Roku on top of that and youre almost garaunteed to see the effect. Roku i know has a super strict guideline for what video can be tossed to it without it bawking about it.
Hopefully the next firmware update which is suppose to improve 1080 interlacing (i think is what they said) will improve your experience. I, Like snowcat haven’t noticed this frame rate issue, but I also have not noticed the “internet-ness” in my video playback on 60" LED or the 55" LCD.
Question - via your Roku do you notice this video feeling with Amazon or Netflix, or any other streaming video services? hows about plex?
@PiX64
I do not notice it on Netflix via Roku, however, most of my Netflix is experienced via iPad and is not sports.
If the device is targeted to cord cutters then it shouldn’t give a Internet video experience on the TV…
-MM13
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I agree with you 100% I was just wondering if you noticed this same experience with other services (internet based) as well as with any other live tv events NON sports related.
You may want to check Tivo Community Forum (unofficial) first.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=74
One issue that sometimes comes up is the C133 error. It occurs when the Tivo loses contact with Tivo HQ’s servers. This can cause loss of some of the Tivo’s functionality; up to and including disabling the minis. This was the issue that caused me to remove the base model Roamio from consideration as a DVR for my home. However this may not be a significant issue for you depending on your use case.
@Xzyl,
Thanks for the heads up. It seems the main issue around the c133 errors and the Mini’s is networking. I can provide Ethernet or MoCa cabling so this shouldn’t be an issue.
My current thinking is to get the Tivo OTA, Mini, and Stream next week and test it out for a month. If I like it I will keep it.
-MM13
@MattMan13 thanks for the updated table. Looks good. Still a good deal of savings with the TabloTV setup. I predict that future enhancements to the TabloTV infrastructure might get rid of some of the other concerns. And I don’t need my apps sending me ads.
What happens on a Romio when the hard drive fails? Does Tivo repair that? Do you have to toss it and buy another unit? Of course, at $50 (basically the cost of the drive) it might not matter. I’m always concerned about companies that sell at a loss… it’s just not sustainable long term (what I’m saying is that the Tivo solution could be a long term “bait and switch” scenario).
But nice to see the massive price reductions from Tivo… always a good thing (caveat emptor with regards to the future with them though).
What happens when the Tablo HD fails? Either way you replace it.
The ads seem like a pain in the ass especially when you are paying for the service!
The way I look at it is the Tablo is not giving me the quality that I expect (picture wise) and I am not confident that can be fixed by software? If I like Tivo OTA and stay with it for 3 years, by then the Tablo 2 will have resolved these issues and maybe even add HMDI :) The other thing is the Tivo will pass the “wife test” with flying colors. While I am sure Tablo will eventually, I do not look forward to months of wife related anger over the current UIs (Roku and iPad).
At that point I can reconsider my options.
I have been on my Tablo journey since the beginning of the year and have touted it to my friends and family as “the” device for cord cutting. But I also need to be true to myself and admit that the TV image quality is not up to my standards.
-MM13
@MattMan13, For the record, my TabloTV quality (and experience for the most part) has been quite good. Glad you gave TabloTV a look see though.
About picture quality, I noticed that when I set the Tablo to 720p and set the Roku to 1080p the video
quality was noticeably worse than if I set the Roku to 720p. Maybe I got used to it, but I don’t really notice a difference in PQ as compared to straight OTA.
It is not about picture quality. The Tablo’s PQ is the same as my FIOS DVR. The issue is that the playback has an “Internet Video” quality to it. Essentially it is not able to produce the frame rate to the display device. For sports on a large TV it is not acceptable…to me.
-MM13
Ahh, gotchya, I don’t watch sports, so I never noticed.
I purchased the Roamio OTA ($49) + Mini ($149) and the picture and experience has been top notch so far.
I don’t like the fact that I need to pay $15 month vs $5 for the Tablo, but will do for now. Tablo is only going to keep getting better and I could see myself with a Tablo again down the road.
-MM13
@MattMan13 I’m not sure what you’re experiencing picture quality wise. but my Tablo with over the air antenna has a better picture than my neighbors Time Warner high definition package, and my previous DirecTV high definition package.
@mb190e, @MattMan13 is using OTA too… just with a different device. According to him, the experience with Tivo’s competing device is better. But YMMV. The compressed HD of U-Verse, etc. is usually more like Netflix or Amazone Prime.
TiVo is the ultimate DVR bandit. I would NOT want to be at the mercy of their arbitrary price “adjustments”.
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TIVO is a premium solution compared to Tablo. For me it is worth every penny as it just works. No buffer this or sync that.
I am assuming that the current Tablo HW is not sufficient to match the Tivo HW yet as it still see alot of complaints about buffers, quality and sync.
-MM13
I’m curious, how well does Tivo stream to every device on your network and outside of your network?