Tablo vs HDhomerun

Wouldn’t a tablo network DVR solution encounter the same decryption issues that hdhomerun has.

Maybe but at the moment we don’t know. Reason being Tablo put on hold ATSC 3.0 product because of the decryption issues.

I’m in a hold pattern myself. Tablo has been okay for family with the usual ups and downs LOL. Zapperbox looks interesting but the price and $50.00 a year for the guide is OUCH for my frugal wallet😏

This is me too. While I would love to be able to play around with ATSC 3.0 and the supposed improvements it brings, I’m not willing to lay out that type of money right now when things are still up in the air, and likely will be for a while.

Tablo/Nuvyyo, belonging to Sinclair E.W.Scripps and whose Broadcast Group is a member of the Pearl TV consortium, probably has an inside edge on their OTA competition. If THEY don’t have ATSC 3.0 device unveiled yet, then you know a solution is probably not forthcoming. We’ll probably know something’s going on once Tablo makes an announcement.

DRM is a A3SA standard. the problem is the standard wasn’t specific enough to allow for headless network DRM using a DVR. The original specification only worked with google widevine. And that eliminates roku, apple, tizen, webos, windows, etc.

I’m not sure that, unless the FCC steps in, A3SA will specify a mechanism that will work on some of those OS’s.

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A3SA is just a made up “arm” of the whole broadcaster mantra from ages ago… “we never want people to be able to record our broadcasts, period.” But, using DRM as defined, means they have full control of when, where and for how long recorded content could be used. The main main main main thing being, remove the customer’s freedom on any of that. That is, the best answer is “no, never” from them and the compromise is “yes, but only if the customer has no freedom over recorded content.”

But here’s the real kicker… none of it, that is, DRM, prevents those that illegally restream, capture, sell, etc.. broadcast media with jumbo DRM from doing what they do. None. That is, the only people affected or hurt under this DRM is the average home user. Period. It’s gross.

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Same as with pretty much every other attempt at DRM.

ATSC 3.0 is going to be like the digital transition…. At least another 10 years away!

Has anyone claimed to have cracked A3SA DRM. And since most devices connect via HDMI, capture devices could be blocked if STB’s wanted to. HDMI devices are suppose to identify maker, model, and if they are pass through. Thus any ill behaved device could be black listed.

Cracking DRM isn’t needed to be an illegal restreamer.

A3SA (ATSC 3.0 Security Authority) DRM, is designed to prevent or restrict screen capture and unauthorized recording of NextGen TV (ATSC 3.0) content,

When DRM is active, screen recording software (like OBS) often captures a black screen

I don’t think you understand how they do what they do. Again, you can insert whatever whiz bang thingy you want. It will never prevent them from doing what they do (at all). Again, all of it is strictly designed to hurt the average consumer. It does not touch those that profit illegally off of broadcast content. It harms grandma and grandpa and the kids (and every law abiding person).

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I have never believed DRM was about preventing illegal restreaming. It has always been about forcing all of us to pay for content. No pay, no decryption.

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Is ATSC 3 going to be so much better that we need to have authorization to record what we record now? More likely greed is the major factor. They can’t get enough money from the folks that can afford pay TV so they’ll go after people that use OTA TV.

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ATSC 3.0 was developed with all kinds of features and restrictions. The FCC needs to decide what is allowed.

OTA broadcasts

Recording Limitations:

  • Blocked Recordings: Broadcasters can choose to block recordings completely for some or all content.
  • Time Limits: They can also force recordings to expire after a certain period.
  • Device Restrictions: Content can be locked to a specific recording device, preventing export or playback on other devices (e.g., streaming boxes, mobile phones).

Thanks. So, Tablo is owned by E. W. Scripps. I thought they’d done the deal. Scripps is still in the consortium.

I know 1 person who bought into the ZapperBox. He had a Tablo, it got zapped, and his HD HD died. Its still kinda clunky per his observation.

Sinclair really wants the stations owned by Scripps. There’s no telling if they have an interest in Tablo or what they will do with it.

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Good to know. Since we don’t really keep the shows we taped long the Tablo has worked for the most part for my family. I think the price is at a point where most of us live with its quarks :grin::eyes:

Most people buying one now are at the last stages of beta testing IMHO. I brought 2 years ago and I feel like I was a early beta tester. Saying this from beta test several software products throughout the years.

My MIL wanted to see how it worked when she was over. I brought it up through Roku Ultra box and she really liked the interface. She has an old HD-Digital recording box that is old but still working. She was really interested in the Tablo but I told her it does have it’s issues and if she is going to try one buy when on sale :smile:
Also I told her to get one if possible while her old unit is still working to transition over.
She lives in NW Chicago area and has great antenna reception and I can hook up the Tablo directly to her router instead of WIFI.