I guess I must sadly say farewell to my Tablo [SOLVED]

#64

Jim, thanks for the additional feedback. I am only 20 miles from the Orlando towers which are near Bithlo.
I am also 11 miles from the WESH UHF transmitter in Deland.

In my case I get all the channels with a side of house mount.

#65

I’m in McClure, so quite a ways south of you. However, I see you get about the same results when checking for availability of channels. Will need to look into this when I get a chance.

#66

@TabloScott The Denny’s HD Stacker is supposed to be good for low signal areas:

Best Outdoor TV antenna for moderate and weak/rural signal areas

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#67

I’ve installed the HD Stacker in my son’s attic. It was not too bad to assemble in the attic and is providing good performance from 40 miles (through a traditional shingle roof) in the Dallas market where one of the networks is broadcasting on VHF.

#68

@StuTomato Thanks for the feedback.

Here are some comments from installs back in 2010: From TV Fool Forum

#69

You already have one great local antenna lead. If that doesn’t pan out, consider asking your local Amateur Radio club (HAMs). Many members know RF inside and out, antennas, grounding, & mounting are essential for good performance and not destroying your own equipment. You also have weather, (wind & lightning at least) considerations. It is a community that loves to share.

Be sure to ask your installer about grounding the mast, grounding the antenna, and bonding to the residential electrical ground. You want the antenna system and the household electrical system to be at the same electrical potential, otherwise the set top box becomes the path for current. People get shocked that way.

Best of luck.

#70

@jimsoldies were you required to submit a request into the architectural committee and get their approval before your installation?

I spoke with John today at International Satellites and Antennas and he is going to have Brandon give me a call on Monday. I think I need to make sure if there is anything I need to get cleared through The Villages I do so before having it installed.

Thanks, Scott

#71

@jimsoldies Also, John says that NBC will be the challenge. Are you able to receive any NBC channels successfully, and with decent strength?

#72

The closest WESH (NBC) tower to Lady Lake is in Orange City:
Ch 02, WESH , (RF 18, UHF )
Antenna MSL: 488 meters
36.7 Miles at 88 Degrees from The Villages
-60 dBm (31%)

The main one in Bithlo is VHF-H.

This site is great for locating all the TV towers:

TV Broadcast Tower Locator

#73

I see a lot of people having to “ask permission” to install an antenna. Are you in a historic preservation area? If this is a new home and you have an HOA, they really can’t tell you you can’t have an antenna to receiving local TV broadcast. They may THINK they can. And they may THINK they can make you jump through hoops. But they’re subject to laws and regulations which prohibit them from placing certain restrictions… probably better explained here…
FCC - OTARD Rule

#74

I did not. seeing all the direct tv dishes, and other outdoor antennas installed before I did mine, this one is smaller than direct tv dish. also, Fcc rules override hoa rules on antennas. but mine is in back of gate and is considered in my back yard.go down by seabreeze rec center and see at least 4 of them from road.in douval village. that’s where I got my idea to use antennas direct, as I stoped at a home there and saw the install. I get full signal on all the channels I want. inc nbc.

#75

Also , your in good hands with brandon.

#76

If your near Virginia trace, I can meet you at the mail center there, and give you a look at the install. Jim

#77

what if they have these “rules” in place - before you purchase or move in. Then you sign the HOA agreeing to their terms when you purchase or move into the residence?
In this example noting is being forced on anyone that they hadden’t agreed to.

Your reference does state entities can “enforce restrictions that do not impair the installation” just do you can put it up… they can still say how - as long as it doen’t impair it’s use.

Sometime HOA’s aren’t about what you can’t do… but about what you don’t have to put up with from other’s - in general.

#78

Federal law says that an HOA can’t prohibit installing antennas in areas you control. They can require certain locations (back of house, etc) as long as that does not interfere with usability. Doesn’t matter if you agreed to the HOA covenants. The covenants themselves are overridden by the law. Note that historical properties are exempt.

#79

True… just that in some circumstances - you can’t just go and put up an antenna where every you want, that’s all I was say’n. They can limit, not prohibit and perhaps have policies to confirm compliance (who knows).

Then again, if you sign a legally binding agreement, agreeing not to put one up… then tell them “nana nana boo boo stick your head in doo doo - federal law says I can any how”. I’m not so sure Judge Judy would agree.

[edit: after I wrote this I realized you can't enforce a   ]
[contractthat isn't legal.  Both parties can agree, but    ] 
[may not be  enforceable...I'm sure it will be discussed   ]    
[in subsequent posts -I'll leave it to Judge Judy          ]
#80

I don’t think an agreement with the HOA can override federal law. But I don’t think either of us is a lawyer. So what do we know?

#81

After I left, I pondered… you can’t enforce a contract which isn’t legal (reasonably sure). Yes, I rescind that statement. Or maybe defer to Judge Judy


There have been a couple other time the past couple days I tried to make a point and was way off. Not trying to be a know-it-all, just, generally a bit more careful.
I fear I’ve been spending too much time with disocbot :robot: in Post about nothing :slightly_smiling_face:

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#82

Correct…Section 207 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996

Antennas – Over-The- Air-Reception-Devices (OTARD) Rule – The Telecommunications Act (the “Act”) of 1996 was intended to promote the advancement of technology and competition among many new service providers, thereby allowing viewers the greatest possible access to the greatest variety of available programming at an affordable cost. In late 1996, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) adopted the “Over-The-Air-Reception-Devices (OTARD) Rule.” This rule addressed viewers’ ability to receive video programming signals from: 1) television broadcast stations (“TVBS”), 2) direct broadcast satellites (“DBS”), and 3) multi-channel multipoint distribution (wireless cable) providers (“MMDS”). While allowing for some very limited controls and restrictions, notably for safety and historic preservation, the rule preempts all recorded covenants and restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance and use of antennas to receive video programming. The rule applies to all satellite dish antennas less than one meter (39.37”) in diameter, to all broadcast TV antennas, and to antennas (one meter or less in diameter or diagonal measurement) for reception of wireless cable signals. The OTARD rule supercedes all restrictive covenants that:

  • preclude, degrade, or interfere with the reception of an acceptable quality signal;
  • unreasonably increase the cost of installation, maintenance or use of the antenna, and
  • unreasonably delays or prevents the installation of the antenna.

The OTARD rule was amended in January 1999 to apply to rental properties and homeowner and condominium associations where a tenant or resident has exclusive use of limited common elements such as a balcony or patio. It applies to all types of multiunit and manufactured (mobile) homes as well as to single family homes. Residents may install an antenna on a limited common element within their exclusive use as well as on property they own outright (i.e., a yard), but may be prohibited from installing an antenna on the common element roof of a multiunit building. A central antenna system installed on common elements by the association may allow restriction of the installation of individual video antennas, provided that:

  • the viewer receives the particular video programming service that he/she/they desire and could receive with an individual antenna (i.e., all DBS, TVBS and/or MMDS providers, not just any provider of the association’s choice);
  • the video reception from the central system (in the residence) is as good as or better than the quality received from an individual antenna;
  • the costs associated with use of the central system are no greater than the costs of installation, maintenance and use of the individual’s antenna; and
  • the association’s requirement to use the central system does not “unreasonably delay the viewer’s ability to receive video programming.”

With the installation of an acceptable central antenna system, an association can require the removal of individual antennas previously installed on limited common elements if the cost of removal and the value of the antenna are reimbursed to the individual

BUT:

Associations will not have to amend their covenants to comply with the FCC regulations because compliance is already mandatory. However, restrictions that do not impair a viewer’s ability to receive video signals remain enforceable. Community associations can still require a resident to apply for approval of the antenna installation as long as no unreasonable delay or cost is involved. Associations can still require compliance with the rules regarding method of installation, and may require screening, unobtrusive placement, painting, camouflage and other reasonable steps to reduce the visual impact on the community.

Over-the-Air Reception Devices Rule - FAQ

#83

That says it all. You are correct. When I contacted the antenna installer( a reputable antenna company, not a non licensed handyman.) He actually has installed hundreds in this development. He knows where to locate the antenna,and size requirements. that is why mine is in back yard, and used antennas direct max 4. We removed direct dish. and installed the over the air in same location. On my street there are many satellite dishes, on the roof , on the side mount, and in back yards. The antenna for ota is actually smaller. The rules actually state that you can install antennas providing you do the best to keep from view. As I said,Antenna company that installs here for many years does know the requirements.The installer finds the best spot to meet both signal and rules of neighbor hood. that should be true of any place in any state. If you get someone that is in that business he knows the rules because most likely has installed there for many years. that is the case here.